Advert featuring a size 8 model banned for glamourising anorexia

We seem to be spending a lot of time worrying about whether things are offensive or not lately, but the Advertising Standards Agency will keep banning fashion adverts, so here’s the latest conundrum for our readers to answer:

Is this model glamorizing anorexia?

The ASA thinks she is: they’ve banned adverts featuring her from appearing on Drop Dead Clothing’s website on the grounds that they’re socially irresponsible as the model is “too thin”.

Their statement:

“We considered that in combination with the stretched out pose and heavy eye make-up, the model looked underweight in the pictures. We noted that Drop Dead’s target market was young people.We considered that using a noticeably skinny model with visible hip, rib, collar and thigh bones, who wore heavy make-up and was posed in ways that made her body appear thinner, was likely to impress upon that audience that the images were representative of the people who might wear Drop Dead’s clothing, and as being something to aspire to. Therefore, while we considered the bikini and denim short images might not cause widespread or serious offence, we concluded they were socially irresponsible.”

Our first thoughts upon reading this:

1. Can open, worms EVERYWHERE.

2. We feel sorry for the model: it can’t be nice to cause adverts to be banned simply because YOUR body is deemed unacceptable.

3. As with yesterday’s Marc Jacobs/Dakota Fanning issue, these bans simply serve to draw even more attention to the supposedly “offensive” images. Case in point: we’d never heard of Drop Dead Clothing until this advert was banned…

4. The comments on this post will make for depressing reading, because, for reasons which we’ve never been able to fathom, many people seem to feel they are able to diagnose health conditions by looking at photographs on the internet. This is almost always unfair to the people being “diagnosed”: just because you think someone LOOKS unhealthy, it doesn’t necessarily mean that they ARE unhealthy.

As for Drop Dead Clothing, they have, of course, refuted the claims. They say that while they acknowledge the photographs make the model look thinner, she is a UK size 8, which is not an abnormal size. In fact, they think it’s offensive to call a size 8 model offensive. So, in short, everyone’s offended.

Who’s right here? Are you offended by this model’s size, or you offended by people who are offended by this model’s size? Perhaps you’re offended by people who are offended by people who are offended by this model’s size? The main thing to note is that, in today’s society, it’s important that you be offended by SOMETHING. So pick your side now…

(The Fashion Police are going to take a shot every time someone uses the phrase “she needs to eat a sandwich” or a derivative thereof in the comments on this. We predict we’ll be roaring drunk by lunchtime…)

50 COMMENTS

  1. This is ridiculous! A combination of poses that make her look thinner and heavy eye make up?
    I’m not seeing either of those.
    It infuriates me too when people diagnose things like that based on a photo. Who do they think they are?!

  2. I don’t want to be offensive here (like you said Amber: can of worms), but I do have a really hard time believing that this model is a UK size 8, when I’m a size 10 myself and I seem to have at least 10 kilos on her. To me she is too skinny yes, mostly because I can count her ribs, but I wouldn’t necessarily call it offensive. I think.

    • Agree, I have a hard time believing she’s a size 8, too. If so, she must have really huge bones. I also wouldn’t say the image is “offensive”. It is probably sending a bad message, because whether or not she is actually healthy, the thing with ads is they are all about how it looks. And she does not look healthy or happy in this particular picture. () Then again, if she makes anorexia look that miserable, maybe it’s not the wrong message after all ()

      • When I had an active eating disorder I was never thinner than a size 8 and at 5′ 8 my bones stuck out more than the model’s bones here because I have a large frame size. I also didn’t look as thin as her but you could count the ribs on my back and see all of my collar bones. And I had a problem if an image of me when I was at my illest was next to her people would almost certainly say I was a ‘healthy’ size compared to her.

        It all depends on height and frame size. I am not sure you could say she was anorexic from looking at a photo. In fact I am sure you can’t say that. She may be but equally she may not. And it’s sad that this body type has been so glamorised in the last 40 or so years that now it is deemed unsuitable to show images of women with this body type to impressionable people, but sadly that is the way it is.

        If the modelling and fashion industries had spent the last 40 or so years recruiting models with a wider range of women’s body types then this almost certainly wouldn’t be the case.

        However, obese people’s bodies ARE deemed unacceptable in advertising and the world in general, so much so that they don’t even get to the point when an advertising standards committee deems a photograph of them unsuitable for young adults to see, because people are so repulsed by them that the body type is shunned from fashion magazines everywhere.

        Also very few people actively aspire to be obese which means that seeing images of mildly overweight models or obese models would be on the whole less damaging to young people than seeing very tiny framed/ thin models.

        So why (person who wrote this article) don’t you “feel sorry” for these people’s bodies being deemed so unacceptable by society and fashion/ modelling industries that they are weirdly absent from media in general? Obviously it is sad that any body type is deemed unacceptable but, I am sure this model won’t be crying too much about it, SHE’S A MODEL, she’s classed as beautiful by the harsh standards of the fashion industry and by society in general. She is envied by other women.

        I am sure she’ll get over it. What about all the poor young girls who look at the image of this woman at 12 years old and already have bigger hips, and so lacking in self worth they pin their hopes on being thin and “beautiful” or the larger girls and women who just could never be as thin as models or even as conventionally attractive, and women as a whole are judged on looks. Do you not feel sad for them? For their self hatred? For the fact that women in the 21st century still a lot of the time are judged by men and each other majorly on looks?

  3. I wouldn’t say I’m “offended” by it, and I won’t aspire to look like this woman, either. (Wouldn’t work no matter what, I’m a totally different body type.)
    But I do say that I just don’t consider these pictures beautiful. Apart from all the discussion whether this woman is healthy or not or should change her eating habits, these particular bikinis simply don’t become her.
    So the real argument should be about what the photographer/ad manager/person responsible for this wanted to say by choosing this particular model to wear these clothes. I’m sure they could have found somebody else to wear these as well as some other bikinis for this girl to create combinations that are nicer to look at.

  4. Offensive? Children dressed and posed like it’s half-price day at a sex toy shop: That’s offensive. Glamor shots of shooting up with smack: That’s offensive. Skinny models? I’m shocked and outraged at this egregious offense to the aesthetic sensibilities. Way too much eye make-up.

  5. I don’t find her body offensive. I mean, I don’t find anyone’s body offensive. I do think that calling her “anorexic” is offensive, because some people are just naturally thin. But I do have a hard time believing she’s a UK size 8. (I’m pretty sure that’s a 6 here…) I’m not saying she isn’t, I’m just saying she looks much thinner than that.

      • Yep, “here” is the US. And that sounds more like it.

        I forgot to add that diagnosing this woman as “anorexic” over a couple photographs is just extremely stupid. Not everyone’s body is going to be the “ideal” size and shape. Some people are going to be fatter than what we deem acceptable and some people are going to be skinnier, because everyone’s different. I don’t know why that’s so hard for some people to grasp.

  6. I dont think offensive is the right word here, but I certainly don’t feel that a model like this should be used in advertising unless she’s fed about 10 burgers beforehand! Size 8? You’re having a laugh! She may well be just about able to hold up a pair of size 8 trousers, but with bones poking out like that she definitely needs to lay off the salad a bit! Her arms look like twigs!

  7. I don’t think these photos are in any way offensive. I’m not able to tell the UK dress size of the model in the photo just by looking at her, but I will say that just because you can see her ribs, does not mean that she’s anorexic. You can see my ribs, and hip bones, but I’m still a size 12, and have a lot of weight to lose (imo)
    Equally, I can’t tell from the picture whether or not she is anorexic. Nor can anyone else.

  8. While I’m usually the first person to defend all body types, I do find these images a bit disturbing. I’m not offended by them, they just make me feel sad. She might or might not be healthy – we don’t know that – that’s true. But she certainly doesn’t look healthy. And of course, she is just an individual, and her health is her own business, but I think a major percentage of these overly skinny models probably does suffer from eating disorders, and is not healthy. I really dislike both the glamorizing of eating disorders that is apparent everywhere in the fashion industry and the media, and the backlash it causes. On the one hand there are all these obviously starving girls, and then on the other that whole story about “real” women. Unfortunately, because we are being forcefed images of anorexia, and ordinary people have had enough, somehow that has spawned this notion that it’s healthy to be overweight as well, because then you are “a real woman” or “curvy” or “beautiful”. It’s obviously a very complicated issue…

    • Very well said. And yes, it’s SUCH a complex issue, which I think is made even more so by the media’s constant need to demonize someone. The one thing I get out of these conversations is that no matter WHAT your shape is, it’s probably wrong/unhealthy/unattractive to someone!

    • I agree totally with you here. “Normal” is off the radar, and will probably vanish from the street. Is the average human figure – with good, but not overdeveloped muscle and a slight padding of fat over it – taht boring? Maybe there will come a time when a person with a normal BMI will be a shocking and novel sight.

  9. The visible skeletal structure and lack of apparent muscle tone are a bit alarming. I find myself hoping it’s some art department yahoo run amuck with the photoshop tools. Otherwise, I don’t think it’s a sandwich she needs, but a consult with her GP.

  10. There’s something very, very wrong about saying that somebody’s body is ‘offensive’. I don’t see how, in the context of a clothing website, a picture of a ‘noticeably skinny’ woman is glamourising anorexia. Just as a picture of a fat person is not making a comment on obesity, a mere picture of a thin person is not making a comment on anorexia. Anorexia is a condition that is about a lot more than just looking at pictures of skinny girls.

    • Anorexia is a condition that is about a lot more than just looking at pictures of skinny girls.

      This is why all of the “she needs to eat a sandwich!” comments bother me so much. If the person DID have an eating disorder, then “eating a sandwich” isn’t the answer. And if she DOESN’T have an eating disorder, well, you’re just bashing someone’s shape and trying to make them feel like they should change it to suit YOUR idea of what looks good or is healthy. It really trivialises the whole issue of eating disorders, I think.

  11. This annoys me as much as this whole thinspiration bullshit. As a UK size 8 I can honestly say it does not surprise me that this woman is. It annoys me that people immediately jump to “she’s annorexic.” A very good friend of mine is this skinny, and she is one of the healthiest people I know. She has always just been naturally skinny and I can’t count the times someone has told her that she’s too skinny. Thin hate is a real thing and it’s a shame that women especially can’t stop judging each other on their bodies.

  12. There are enough things out there that I’m offended by that I’m not going to waste my time being offended by ads like these. I don’t think the swimsuits they put her in are at all flattering to her body type, though, and I never can understand why using a model your clothing doesn’t flatter is thought to be a good idea.

    • This model’s boyfriend at the time is the owner of Drop Dead clothing, so she is the featured model on their site. I agree though, different bikini or a different pose would have helped. In other photos of her, she looks perfectly fine.

  13. I agree that there is something gross about calling another person’s body offensive. It’s her body, and I don’t know anything about her, so I can’t make a judgement about whether or not she is healthy.

    I would, however, ask what kind of message the advertisers thought they were sending. Whether or not it’s actually true, many people are going to read this woman as anorexic, and would therefore more likely be put off the clothing — or take it as aspirational. There isn’t a clear statement (I could see using very very thin models in an artistic critique of standards of beauty) and there isn’t a reason they couldn’t have used a model that wouldn’t be read by most people as being too thin. (And since there is already a dearth of averagely-sized women in advertising, it isn’t like they’re catering to a neglected market). I just think it’s bad judgment on the part of the advertisers.

    But banning it, like you said, is only going to give it more attention. Better, I think, to create some sort of incentive / law that gets advertisers to use a a wider range of models, so that people who are susceptible to advertising can see that a size 16 is as beautiful and desirable as a size 00, etc.

  14. When I was 17-20 I looked like that girl. All skin and bones and I ate everything in sight. Sometimes you just look that way.

    • Same here. You couldn’t shovel enough food into me it seemed. I was known as the “skinny blonde that’s always eating”. Now I grew somewhat older, my body changed, and I “filled up”.

  15. I’m pretty sure if they were to use a fat person, the ASA wouldn’t ban it, even though that could also be considered as encouraging an unhealthy body image!

    If impressionable ‘young people’ are going to become ill because of poor self esteem, they will find an abundance of pictures whether it’s in clothes ads or not. If Drop Dead clothing can say that this model is 100% healthy, then it’s just insulting to the model to have to deal with this… some people find it difficult to LOSE weight, some people have the same struggle putting it ON, and she might just be one of these people!

    • Yes, exactly. If they’d used a model who appeared to be overweight, I’m almost positive the advert would never have been banned: in fact, they would probably be being applauded for using “real” women in their advertising. There seems to be an idea now that to be underweight is unhealthy, but to be overweight is just normal: such a double-standard.

    • I have to disagree with the OP. There might be some media representations that depict overweight women in a pseudo-positive but pejorative manner in essence, but as a whole – the truth is anything but that.

      Women are much more likely to be depicted as emaciated and presented as vulnerable, voiceless and fragile. While naturally slender women might face some scrutiny and unfair accusations by others, it is still important for them and women of other sizes to understand the deeper meanings behind this depiction. We’re seeing the media’s fake post-feminism as a “sensibility” even though it is still placing regulation on the female body and once again engages in the whole girl-in-crisis discourse.

      I think that it’s too easy for us as females to look at the model herself and see her as a person, but seeing as most media content is from the male gaze and therefore sexually objectifies fertile women, it is thus more representative of women’s position in society as a whole.

      Nevertheless, it is true that women of all body sizes go through these body image struggles, and I think that the right way to deal with this problem is to focus less on the body and more on the woman as an individual.

      We’d be living in a much happier and more equal society if we were to see models being glamorized in pictures for doing something other than emphasizing their bodies and using it to communicate a submissive/”sexually-liberated” stance that depicts them as objects and nothing but that.

      • my two cents is that people consider this body type as ‘anorexic’ because the majority of women are not like this, and in order to achieve it they need to suffer from an eating disorder first. just as obese women (at least in some countries) are the minority; it is considered abnormal because in order for most women to get like that, they’d have to totally abuse the calories. fashion is about selling clothes, hence it is inseparable from the body image – the body is itself what is aspired to because it is part of ‘the look’ that is being sold. and bear in mind that no fashion house has an ‘obese’ model but they frequently (and disproportionately to actual population) have ‘anorexic’ ones. plump or even slightly fat does not really count since they are still in the mid-range of the population; in terms of proportion in population, the opposite of this body type is the ‘obese’ body type.

        thin or fat, one should be healthy, but i consider this to mean not just not being sick, but having a reasonable BMI to support bodily functions – not so thin so as to disrupt normal things like respiration, digestion, or impede fertility – and able to sustain this continued health, and also sufficient musculature to manage daily activities independently without passing out and stuff. like you know, be able carry a chair across the room, run across a park, carry a full bag of groceries into the house, play a bit of tennis or something like that – or at least like you could remain standing when a wave breaks against your waist, a concept relevant to swimwear. could be just for this shoot the model didn’t eat for a day or something or she was sad about something or other, and ordinarily maybe she looks a little more alive. in any case, not a good look for swimwear which, almost like sportswear, i think is best if the model exudes the image of brimming with life and health.

  16. And once again we repeat that age old: there is no such thing as the right hair, right clothes, or right weight or right whatever. There is only what’s right for me.
    And as for the girl in the photo? No, I don’t find her offensive. Yes, she is thin, and somewhat androgynous,and perhaps they could have chosen more flattering clothes for her (and seeing more photos on the website they did indeed), but that’s about it.

    Besides, these days you have curvy women (and i mean curvy, not overweight into unhealthy), and you have elvish, ethereal looking women (slim and slender, like the girl in the photo),in magazines and web stores, and both aspects are perfectly fine and feminine. and so is everything in between.

    Besides, it’s kind of stupid of parents to expect the world to be raising their children, isn’t it? And it’s insulting to the children/youths themselves to assume they will follow and copy everything they see.

  17. I am not a medical professional, but she looks underweight to me. Frankly, I don’t think think underweight models should be treated as role models for girls and women. But that doesn’t mean she is offensive-looking or that she couldn’t very well be a healthy weight for her height and body shape. I just think we need to encourage a wider variety of female role models. Celebrities and models have something to offer, but so do a lot of other people who aren’t nearly so focused on appearance. This would make a particular model’s weight a lot less important.

  18. Judging by the size of her head, compared to her body, i think some photoshop was involved. Her ribcage is wider in the picture on the right. The hip/waist ratio is also slightly different.

  19. “was likely to impress upon that audience that the images were representative of the people who might wear Drop Dead’s clothing, and as being something to aspire to”

    This is degrading on so many levels. It’s infuriating in cases like this where people feel the need to attribute everything to “the media.” If someone makes this interpretation: “There is a thin woman wearing clothes I like. I must be thin too in order to wear those clothes” than they have an issue already. What about “there is a woman with brown hair wearing clothes that I like!” That doesn’t work, because it’s not socially validated. What it comes down to is SOCIAL VALIDATION. Becoming thin is socially validated. We can show images of thin women all we want, but until our peers and our loved ones start validating thinness, it won’t have any effect (as long as you’re over 6 years old, when our brains begin to separate fantasy from reality).

    Attributing everything to the media greatly undermines the power of social validation, as well as personal choice, and in my opinion is highly degrading.

  20. A 5’11 woman at 115 lbs is not healthy. It has nothing to do with body shape, metabolism or fitness. This woman has no musculature either. Her little arms have skin hanging off.

  21. I feel so badly for the poor girl in these ads. She is a beautiful girl and modeling is a hard career. Anorexic or not, you will always be told by designers, agents and whoever that your body is just not right. It doesn’t matter why really, it’s that no one person can be the Ideal Woman. So to hear that her body is wrong, not by one person but by a corporation at large, is so unfair to her. If she does have an eating disorder, this will only make it worse. If she doesn’t, this is hardly likely to help her self esteem, not to mention her career.

    I have suffered from eating disorders since I was in middle school. I often was told even by my friends that I was too thin and I should really eat something. I also heard the less friendly things people said about me. It devastated me. I can’t imagine what this girl is going through.

  22. the model in question is in fact the scotish supermodel amanda hendrick who has walked for most of the top desingners marc jacob ect and was the most succesful model at london fashion week this year ,she is in constant demand for her face and body because thin girls look best on the catwalk ,she is also the girlfriend of drop dead owner rock star oliver sykes from band bring me the horizon and has modeled for drop dead for many years with no complaints

  23. I think that we are used to seeing two different sets of models: Very skinny models (often perceived as unhealthy because most people would have to do very unhealthful things to achieve that look) more-or-less fully dressed, and very curvy models (whose body types are perhaps even less attainable) in lingerie and bathing suit ads. To see the former sort of model in the latter sort of attire is to call attention to the artifice of the whole industry.

  24. First of all this beautiful model is Amanda Hendrick. She does not have anorexia. And this is NOT “glamourizing” anorexia. Anorexia is NOT only about being underweight/skinny. Anorexia is a mental illness. It’s the refusal to keep normal weight or to gain weight when severly needed. It’s having a disorted view. It’s about the self-hatred a anorexic can have for themselves to starve. And to desperately be in control of something. The founder/maker of the clothing line Drop Dead, is Oliver Sykes. He is the frontman of the band called Bring Me the Horizon. Very good and succesful band. Oliver was in a relationship with Amanda, so it seems reasonable for her to model the clothes right? (they are not together anymore though). So really don’t judge a book by it’s cover.

  25. It seems we’re failing to acknowledged that Anorexia Nervosa is a mental disorder, not the size of one’s body. [Severely] underweight is not equivalent to anorexia. Anyways, this model is not even that scrawny.

    Now society’s obsessed with big women being beautiful, and skinny women being gross. We’ve all heard it. Turn on FTV and someone in the room is going to say “Ew! She’s grossly skinny.” Which is RUDE.
    http://t1.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcRUK8mMdrRgIg5GXFOI-r6jRwOhFYXm9T2iUnrrYTp1jnbLABup
    “Ew! Look at those kids! Aren’t they disgusting?”
    Why would anyone say that? Everyone know’s that’s a terrible thing to say, and I feel confident that most people are not going to say that, because it’s sad.

    So, what’s the difference here? Is it that the model has access to food? She’s starving herself, choosing this for herself, so it’s okay to make fun of her. The government tells us so.

    No no no no. You’re either a) making fun of her because she’s thin, in which case go make fun of some starving kids in Africa, or b) making fun because she has a mental disorder.
    Neither of these seem acceptable to me … If we can make fun of her, lets make fun of people for being fat, or for being dyslexic, or for being black, or for being jewish.
    Geeze, society. Way to send us subliminal messages.

    js.

  26. Well I look like this, but with a little more in the chest area and people assume I’m anorexic when I’m in a swimsuit. She’s pale, you can see her ribs, and either the top makes her look flat or she just isn’t big. Now she looks unhealthy, but that doesn’t mean she is. The evidence points towards it because a lot of models are, but you never know with this sort of thing!

  27. I have not read all the comments, but it seems the main point of the article is not about being “offensive” but impact the fashion industry has on woman and how it promotes or induces anorexia. If all models are thin and tall then they are advertising that if you want “my fashionable design” to look right on you, then you better “slim down”. This is want a woman should look like. That is why we take pictures of her to sell my designs and magazines.

    If they used a variety of models of different shapes and sizes as a norm, maybe woman and men would start to change their perspectives and expectations. Consistent advertising of the same thing over and over again has an impact on what people believe to be normal. In politics they call it propaganda, fashion magazines call it advertising. Its the same thing.

  28. She could be a UK size 8. I’m 5’8 with a 23 inch waist and a lot of my clothing is UK size 8. Depends on height, frame and also where you shop.

    Also, this model’s frame wouldn’t be an issue if the fashion industry used a variety of body shapes.

    My friend once asked me if she looked fat. I told her (honestly) that she was probably overweight according to UK bmi standards, but personally I’d not say fat.

    …Well, she cried, then screamed, then I endured a week of phone calls from friends and family ‘shocked’ at how ‘cruel’ and ‘nasty’ I’d been and ‘just because you’re built like a stick doesn’t make you better than anyone else’…

    It’s ok for my nearest and dearest to tell me I look like a stick or crack jokes when it is windy that I might need ‘weighty down with a handbag’ in case I ‘blow away’.and ‘mind that grid, we don’t want to lose you’ etc..but if I answer a mate honestly and only when asked, saying I think she’s beautiful, but by bmi standards (not mine) she’d probably be a lil’ over…I’m ‘cruel’ and ‘nasty’. The same mate when we were at the cinema recently cracked at joke that I wouldn’t weigh enough to make the seat go down. Everyone laughed. But if I’d said something like ‘sit down slowely – you dont know how much weight those hinges can take’ there would have been uproar.

    Another thing, being skinny seems to mean that when I go clubbing men think it is ok to actually pick me up like a child and just move me about like furniture. My friends do this too. They used to joke ‘just pick her up and carry her, she doesnt weigh anything’, but then they actually started doing it. Eg, we were in a club, they wanted to move on to another. I wanted to stay for the band and said I’d catch up. They didn’t like this so picked me up and carried me out, laughing, while my demands to be put down went ignored. I didn’t make a scene…because I dont, but I felt violated. I worked all week, got ready and paid to see a band like anyone else and was then physically removed by someone who didnt want me to stay and see the band and got their way just because they’re physically stronger and bigger than me…wtf…

    I even went on a junk food diet at university to try put on weight out of desperation once. My doctor was furious…just like he would be if I starved myself. I was healthy before, but so self conscious at what my friends all called my ‘xylophone ribs’ after I’d braved a bikini for the first time in my life…I’ve never worn one since, even though its my dream to get on a beach and actually let the sun get on my skin and swim without trailing a baggy shirt etc.

    How is it ok constantly talk about a thin person and talk to them about their looks and make jokes and point out ‘oh my god, you’re so bony’, like only the overweight have feelings…

    Both overweight and underweight people can be beautiful because both can be healthy. The bmi figures are just averages! Not everyone fits into them and beauty is health and vitality…whether you’re missing a limb, packing more (or less) pounds, tall, short…whatever. Beauty is how you maintain the body you’ve got…like a car. We don’t all look the same in real life, so why should we in magazines or on the catwalk?

    I am conscious of my body 24/7 now. i sit a certain way to seem less bony. i only own / wear baggy tops to ‘puff out’ my waist.. i avoid heels these days. My mum hates it…she says she grew up in a time when, fat or thin, ‘normal’ girls weren’t expected to look like models, just girls – healthy, full of life that was all.

  29. Two comments from me:
    One – My bones are far more visible than the model’s, though I have a BMI over 20 and wear a European size 38 (must be UK 12). If being bony was all there is to it, I’d be walking for Chanel now. That the girl’s bone structure is very narrow and light is not her fault. As yet there is no diet or pill you can take during adolecence to make your bones grow longitudinally, but not across.

    Two – these images look massively photoshopped to me. Notice the widely different leg distance – the pubic bone seem to be a full inch wider on the right image – the blurring between the thighs, and that her right iliac wing seems to have a different angle in both pictures – like it was erased, and then painted on again. To judge a person’s body based on pictures which are no more realistic than cartoon drawings is really quite irrational.

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